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    Paul Bloom

    If you only care about the visuals, I would probably create some kind of symbol you could place at your connector pin symbol which would have two connection points on the wiring side.

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    Darryl Bennett

    I imagine this would not allow transfer of signal info from Block connectors to plugs and through wires. I think we would want to be able to show signal names on the block connector. We are also looking at a "contact" that has 8 separate connections and fits in a single "position" on some standard connectors: Glenair's Ochito.

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    bob larranaga

    Darryl,

    Have you tried creating connectors with inserts? There's a section in the E3 Help that covers this issue.

    It appears under Reference Manual>Database Editor>Connectors?

     

     

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    Darryl Bennett

    Thanks Bob, this looks like exactly what I want to do. However, when I try to create the connector with inserts, I can run through the instructions in the help file, but I cannot add symbols for the block connector, formboard side view, or table/wire symbol. It places only the connector pin symbol. Is there some trick for these other symbols I typically add to connectors?

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    bob larranaga

    I see your point about not being able to select a block symbol or a formboard symbol for the connector-with-inserts. I just tried defining one myself. I looked into it and there has been an enhancement request (Designer-21274) to define the views of a connector-with-inserts.

    Regardless, you can still use the connector-with-inserts in project mode. You can even drag the connector-with-inserts onto a block.

    Something else I found was that placing connector-with-inserts device onto a formboard sheet is not intuitive:

    • If you select the connector icon and drag it to the project sheet then E3 will place the connector-with-inserts as individual pin-groups and not as formboard views. There's no formboard dialog to select symbol. The symbols will always appear as wiring diagram symbols.
    • If you select the connector icon and right-click, there is no option for "Place on Formboard..."
    • If you select the pin-group icon and right-click, then you can choose the "Place on Formboard...". The Place on Formboard dialog will appear and you can select a formboard symbol that represents the connector or insert. (see image)

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    Darryl Bennett

    Thanks for looking into this Bob. Does anyone know if there is a target timeframe to implement this enhancement? "Connectors with inserts" has been a device type since 2016 or before, so this is apparently not a new feature.

    If you select "place on formboard" via the pin-group, what symbols are available to represent the connector? (Especially considering I can't define any symbols other than the wiring diagram view...)

    For the insert, are the formboard symbols available to place limited to those in the insert component definition, or does E3 just allow you to place whatever symbol you want in this case?

    I will try this when I get a chance.

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    Darryl Bennett

    We use the mil symbols on our wiring diagrams. When placing the connector with inserts on the schematic, the pin names are the numbers based on the insert pins. There is no indication of which connector position the pin-group/insert is in. The illustrations in the help file imply that the position in the connector as well as the pin number of the insert can be visible. Do I need to create a new symbol for this?

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    Darryl Bennett

    Also, when I "place plug" from the database tree, some pin groups place with the plug mil symbol, but some place with the receptacle mil symbol. Does it decide which symbol to place for the pin-group based on definition of the connector with inserts, the symbol assigned to the insert, or some attribute such as pin gender?

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    bob larranaga

    Re: "We use the mil symbols on our wiring diagrams. When placing the connector with inserts on the schematic, the pin names are the numbers based on the insert pins. There is no indication of which connector position the pin-group/insert is in. The illustrations in the help file imply that the position in the connector as well as the pin number of the insert can be visible. Do I need to create a new symbol for this?"

    At the bottom of the help file it states the following:

    "When placed in project mode, it's additionally possible to check the "Name of connector insert" text type (#1117) in the Symbol Properties - Symbol tab to display the connector insert's name. (valid for all MIL symbols with IEC symbols for W_BU_INS and W_ST_INS)"

    I don't see #1117 in my library of mil-symbols so you might need to update the mil-connector symbol to include this "Name of connector insert" text type (#1117).

    I would edit the existing set of symbols to include the new text type but only for a few of the characteristics; e.g. END_TOP and FULL.

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    Darryl Bennett

    Ah, I was confused by the "valid for all MIL symbols with IEC symbols for W_BU_INS and W_ST_INS"

    I was able to add text type #1117, but it looks like I need it in all the characteristics because multiple inserts placed in line are automatically linked using the CONNECTOR_PIN characteristic. I need to see which position those inserts are in as well.

    Also, the component code text type pulls the insert component code, not the connector component code, so what is displayed is only valid for the pin at the bottom. Is there a way to display the connector component code rather than the insert component code on wiring diagrams?

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    bob larranaga

    Yes its possible... it's just not ideal workflow as I just found out.

    It involves creating an attribute text symbol that contains text type for component code (#5). The ideal situation would be assigning this symbol to the Connector-With-Inserts as a default template but it appears that it is not possible. It's disabled in database editor... not sure why.

    The workaround is that you manually assign the attribute text symbol to device:

    1. Drag the new symbol into position.
    2. Reselect the symbol (might be difficult to see if symbol is only text).
    3. Open Symbol properties.
    4. Assign the same Device name used for the Connector-With-Inserts to the symbol.
    5. Click Ok to close symbol properties.

    In the image, I dragged three attribute text symbols and assigned them to Device 1. So it is possible to have many of these symbols as shown in the project tree. I believe you can add other types of attribute text symbols.

    Maybe someone has a more elegant solution.

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